Correction: I should have wrote "won" instead of "one".
Disillusioned JW
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Afghanistan-Kabul falls to Taliban - U.S. Embassy staff evacuated by helicopter
by fulltimestudent inin a scene reminiscent of the fall of saigon, the usa embassy staff have been evacuated by helicopter.. for a third time in asia ( a fourth, if you count usa supported chiang kai shek's defeat in mainland china) usa supported forces have been defeated.
more than 1 trillion dollars wasted and a huge deathtoll (both sides) afghanistan is back to where it started,.
will the taliban behave differently this time ?
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Afghanistan-Kabul falls to Taliban - U.S. Embassy staff evacuated by helicopter
by fulltimestudent inin a scene reminiscent of the fall of saigon, the usa embassy staff have been evacuated by helicopter.. for a third time in asia ( a fourth, if you count usa supported chiang kai shek's defeat in mainland china) usa supported forces have been defeated.
more than 1 trillion dollars wasted and a huge deathtoll (both sides) afghanistan is back to where it started,.
will the taliban behave differently this time ?
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Disillusioned JW
What does this topic and its initial post have to do with "JW: Friends"? It is posted in the wrong category. It should be posted in the Politics category or the News category.
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Afghanistan-Kabul falls to Taliban - U.S. Embassy staff evacuated by helicopter
by fulltimestudent inin a scene reminiscent of the fall of saigon, the usa embassy staff have been evacuated by helicopter.. for a third time in asia ( a fourth, if you count usa supported chiang kai shek's defeat in mainland china) usa supported forces have been defeated.
more than 1 trillion dollars wasted and a huge deathtoll (both sides) afghanistan is back to where it started,.
will the taliban behave differently this time ?
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Disillusioned JW
Yes, it is true that the Taliban would have eventually one, regardless of whichever national government would have opposed them.
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Don't take my booze!
by David.L.Henson ina direct confirmation that judge joseph rutherford, 2nd president of the watchtower organization, had a weak spot for good whisky, can be found in the following hilarious watch tower article.. the u.s. congress had passed the spirit prohibition law, and the judge was absolutely furious that these "servants of satan" tried to take his booze away.. the watch tower, which according to fred franz had jehovah as editor during these days, directly stated that christians could not "participate in" such a prohibition.
in other words, they had to smuggle and drink booze to be loyal to god.
the jws are unfortunately a much more boring sect these days.. the watchtower, november 1, 1924prohibition.
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The Seventh-day Adventists are against drinking alcohol (and strongly promote vegetarianism, and Ellen G. White even promoted veganism) and medical studies on longevity have shown that the Seventh-day Adventists are one the groups of people with the longest longevity in the world! [Also from very early times the SDA has forbidden smoking, whereas the WT didn't forbid it until the 1970s.] See https://www.adventist.org/official-statements/historic-stand-for-temperance-principles-and-acceptance-of-donations-statement-impacts-social-change/ and https://www.adventist.org/official-statements/drugs/ . One of the Bible-based arguments the SDA use is that the body is the temple of God. Maybe the JWs would live longer if they adopted that view regarding alcoholic drinks. [However, some SDA literature discourages the use of spices, whereas modern science has shown that some spices have major health benefits.]
The SDA teach that Jesus did not use fermented grape juice (wine) during the last supper. The NT verses about the last supper say the "fruit of the vine" [see Matthew 26:29 (NASB-Updated) for example] - they don't specifically say wine, thus scripturally wine is not required. For two or three years, after I stopped considering myself a JW and before I became a nontheist, I celebrated the Memorial by myself (and conducted it myself) using juice I freshly squeezed from red grapes and I partook of the emblems.
Regarding the longevity of the SDA see https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7731947/Seventh-Day-Adventists-longer-life-expectancy-lower-cancer-risk-study-finds.html and https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/25/health/longevity-blue-zone-wellness/index.html .
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Urgent Message from American Atheists regarding the need to get the Covid-19 vaccine!
by Disillusioned JW inthe following is an urgent email message (except i deleted mention of my name and links which might include information about me,) i received from american atheists regarding the need to get the covid-19 vaccine.. ".
for months, we've thought that vaccine rates have been incredibly strong among our community..
for example, a pew poll in march found that 90% of atheist respondents indicated they'd already received the first vaccine dose or would "definitely" or "probably" seek the shot..
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Disillusioned JW
What do you mean by "S.I.F.T. method"? I do notice that Google's search results are often in a rut and that when it comes to news sources it tends to show articles from the same news providers as that shown in numerous prior searches (perhaps it 'thinks' I am only interested in those providers). I wish Googe's search engine wasn't that way.
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Don't take my booze!
by David.L.Henson ina direct confirmation that judge joseph rutherford, 2nd president of the watchtower organization, had a weak spot for good whisky, can be found in the following hilarious watch tower article.. the u.s. congress had passed the spirit prohibition law, and the judge was absolutely furious that these "servants of satan" tried to take his booze away.. the watch tower, which according to fred franz had jehovah as editor during these days, directly stated that christians could not "participate in" such a prohibition.
in other words, they had to smuggle and drink booze to be loyal to god.
the jws are unfortunately a much more boring sect these days.. the watchtower, november 1, 1924prohibition.
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I disagree that the WT article is teaching that Christians "had to smuggle and drink booze to be loyal to God", for the article clearly says that "A desire to eliminate intoxicating liquor and all other evils is a proper and laudable desire. All Christians should be in accord with that desire. But how to accomplish that end is a different thing. ... Intoxicating liquor is a great evil. The devil stands for all things evil. He is the very personification of wickedness. ... Intoxicating liquor is a great evil, and the saloons a curse to humanity. The good American people do not want either. ... No Christian advocates the use of intoxicating liquor. The question is not concerning the existence of the evil, but the *method* of elimination of that evil."
As a result when the article says Christians could not consistently participate in Prohibition, it means in the sense of prohibiting the manufacture, distribution, sale, possession, and/or consumption of intoxicating liquor. It is suggesting that if a JW Christian were to prohibit intoxicating liquor, rather than allow people to decide for themselves whether they can use (or produce, sell, distribute, or possess) intoxicating liquor or not, would be inconsistent with the Bible's teachings.
I am not sure if the WT in 1924 taught that it is OK for JWs to drink alcohol in moderation, since the 1924 WT says "Intoxicating liquor is a great evil." But as we know, at least since the 1970s the WT religion teaches that moderate drinking of alcoholic drinks are permissible and even beneficial to some extent.
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It's VERY DIFFICULT for some JWs to accept the Truth-------But for other not so much------WHY?
by pistolpete inwhat is it about some jws that they can't see the flip-flops of the wt's changing doctrine?.
some of the flip-flops involved the death of many of it's members, and it was not even biblical based.
yet for some reason they can't seem to grasp the significance of the matter.
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Correction: In my prior post where I said "might have sent" I meant to say "might have been sent". Also, where I said "Furthermore, the Revelation says God will use demonic spirits to lead the 10 kings of the Earth into the Battle of Armageddon" see Revelation 16:13-16 which says the demonic spirits (or unclean spirits) come out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. But also see also Revelation 17:12-17, and note that 17:16-17 (ASV) says "16 And the ten horns which thou sawest, and the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her utterly with fire. 17 For God did put in their hearts to do his mind, and to come to one mind, and to give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God should be accomplished." Thus, these verses in Revelation are an example in the Bible of the Bible saying God will use unclean spirits to influence humans, as a means to carry out God's will. Regarding the idea of God putting an idea (or emotion) into the hearts (and/or minds) of human kings in order to manipulate and control them, recall to mind what the biblical book of Exodus says of Jehovah God having hardened the heart of Pharaoh. There is also a verse which says Jehovah God influenced (by means of a spirit?) the emotions of king Saul.
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It's VERY DIFFICULT for some JWs to accept the Truth-------But for other not so much------WHY?
by pistolpete inwhat is it about some jws that they can't see the flip-flops of the wt's changing doctrine?.
some of the flip-flops involved the death of many of it's members, and it was not even biblical based.
yet for some reason they can't seem to grasp the significance of the matter.
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Disillusioned JW
But regarding the idea that God cannot lie, the Bible in 1 Kings 22:19-23 says the Lord (Jehovah) sent a lying/deceiving spirit! I recommend that people read it in various translations, including the KJV, NASB, and NWT. This passage when combined with the NT verses about God being incapable of lying, is one of the many examples of a possible contradiction in the Bible, and is thus part of the very strong evidence against the Bible being God's (any always truthful all-knowing god's) word. In the KJV the passage says the following.
' 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
20 And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.'
The ASV Bible in verse 20 instead of saying "persuade" says "entice" and the footnote says "Or, deceive".
Hypothetically speaking, if the WT and its Governing Body are receiving communications from demon lying spirits and if Jehovah exists, then based upon 1 Kings 22:19-23 those demon lying spirits might have sent by Jehovah to deliver those messages. Furthermore, the Revelation says God will use demonic spirits to lead the 10 kings of the Earth into the Battle of Armageddon.
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Urgent Message from American Atheists regarding the need to get the Covid-19 vaccine!
by Disillusioned JW inthe following is an urgent email message (except i deleted mention of my name and links which might include information about me,) i received from american atheists regarding the need to get the covid-19 vaccine.. ".
for months, we've thought that vaccine rates have been incredibly strong among our community..
for example, a pew poll in march found that 90% of atheist respondents indicated they'd already received the first vaccine dose or would "definitely" or "probably" seek the shot..
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Disillusioned JW
Thanks. I found such articles a moment ago and revised my prior post accordingly.
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Urgent Message from American Atheists regarding the need to get the Covid-19 vaccine!
by Disillusioned JW inthe following is an urgent email message (except i deleted mention of my name and links which might include information about me,) i received from american atheists regarding the need to get the covid-19 vaccine.. ".
for months, we've thought that vaccine rates have been incredibly strong among our community..
for example, a pew poll in march found that 90% of atheist respondents indicated they'd already received the first vaccine dose or would "definitely" or "probably" seek the shot..
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Disillusioned JW
Regarding the claim that "the most vaccinated group in the US is the Jewish American ", here is one source for it: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-u-s-jews-are-most-pro-vaccine-religious-group-in-america-poll-finds-1.10111880 . Another news source is at https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/07/28/us-jews-overwhelmingly-support-covid-19-vaccine-push-compared-with-other-religious-groups-new-survey-finds/ .